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Glock Discussion
Lets talk GLOCKS here.
I am a proud owner of 4 Glocks, my favorite being the Glock 21, .45 ACP. I have many 1911 platforms also and of course I have nothing but respect for them, but for combat and tactical purposes nothing beats a GLOCK. Lets hear all about your Glock experiences, good and bad, love and hate. I got a Glock tactical light and a CLIP DRAW for my 21 yesterday, anyone use these products on theirs. I especially like the CLIP DRAW, comes in VERY HANDY. |
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Yeah, I like 'em too...(several plus a G24C slide)
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I was one of the first people I knew in my area to buy a Glock 17. That was back in the summer of 1989. I've put a lot of rounds through that gun and still use it as a ranch gun all the time. Tough and reliable.
A couple years ago I bought a Glock 35. Liked it right away. Started shooting IDPA with it. I'm not one of those people that disses the .40 S&W cartridge, but I can't ever get really excited about it as a civilian shooter. So I sent my slide off to Jarvis Custom and got him to hand fit a .357 SIG barrel to it. Took the gun from a B+ to a solid A. I rarely put the .40 S&W barrel in it anymore. Bought a big case of .357 SIG ammo from ammoman.com. Plus I've started to reload .357 SIG. Like the gun, like the caliber. It's all good! Gregg |
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I dont like the .40 myself. I am very biased, I believe everyone should own a .45 acp but the .357 is a horse of different color, thats a good solid round and I can see why you would prefer it over the .40. I have put my 21 through hell and back and still have never had ANY problems with it at all. Have put thousands of rounds through it, both when its dirty, full of sand and clean, and I have done nothing to it but change the recoil spring once a year as a preventitive measure. |
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Unfortunately I've found Glocks are like potato chips....can't have just one.
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I just got a new .40 Glock, seems fine to me, but I don't know anything other than it shoots nice, I'm the problem :) For me, I'm small, and have beginning carpal tunnel in my right wrist, so it takes a little more effort for me to control the muzzle. A small woman can use this gun, just takes awhile to get used to it.
Fits my hand nicely. I have confidence that if anyone came after me, I'd only need a few shots with this one v. the .22; that's why my hubby got it for me. The .22 is easier for me to handle, obviously, but my goal is to be as accurate with this .40 as I am with the .22, my first practice session didn't go well :) But my husband said I was doing better at controling the muzzle (I was hitting the ground v. the muzzle going upwards). (The target was only about 4 inches off the ground). So I was oh, only 4 inches off..he he. |
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I think the .40 is a little faster than the .45 but doesnt have as much stopping power, of course it has plenty of stopping power in itself and that really isnt a concern. The 10mm is probably a little more powerful (or at the very least equal to) than the .45 from what I have experienced but the problem there is ammo availability. I am sure it is easy to get now but would it be in a SHTF enviroment? I dont know. Same goes for the .40 for that matter. I grew up shooting .45s so I am stuck in my ways. I dont really intend to bad mouth other rounds, it is just a matter of what I am comfortable with and what I shoot well. That said, I have read several instances where cops have shot several rounds of .40 in to perps and they lived, its pretty rare that someone would live after being hit with several rounds of .45, assuming they are well placed hits. I am not a fan of the 9mm at all for self defense purposes for that very reason, I do not trust it as a self defense round in any circumstance, but again, if youre a good shot you can kill someone with a .22. |
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Glocks are good guns. I've owned a 19 and 23. Both ran flawlessly for many thousands of rounds. I ran over 2k rounds through my 19 without cleaning just for fun and had no problems. But I'd still rather carry a 1911.:D
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I have a crazy question about Glocks..
Maybe I'm way off base here.. Not too long ago- My self and my brother go shooting at his range.. an LEO range in my county He's a PO in my town and carries a G22 (in .40 for the unlearned) I carry a G30 (in .45 angain for know nots) Now.. we were shootin and traded weps and I'll be danged if that G22 didnt have more felt recoil. I've been curious about this for some time... Love to hear an explination for that. I'll Aim this post at you Mr Glock Armorer am I FOS or what? |
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IMO, the Glock 22 in .40S&W does have greater "felt" recoil (snappier) than the Glock 30. By the way, the 180gr JHP Speer Gold Dot I shoot in the G22 has less "felt" recoil than either the 155 or 165 Speer GD. There are a couple reasons why this difference between .40 and .45 might be: 1) The .40 S&W cartridge operates @33,000-35,000 CUP/psi vs. the .45 ACP @19,000-20,000 CUP/psi (and with a velocity range of 975-1265fps vs. 850-1000fps, respectively). 2) The Glock 30 has double recoil springs, which help dampen felt recoil. To my mind, the Glock .40 has a quicker "snap" and Glock .45 is more like a slower "shove". |
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The .40 ABSOLUTELY has more recoil than the .45 acp for the simple fact that it is a HIGHER PRESSURE ROUND than .45 acp is and THAT is the reason you see more KABOOMs in Glock .40 than any other pistol, it is because the .40 is a very HIGH PRESSURE round. It is NOT unsafe, it is a good round and your chances of experiencing a KABOOM are the same as winning the lottery, but it does happen in the .40 more than any other Glocks because the .40 is indeed a higher pressure round and therefore you will indeed feel more recoil.
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I personally always liked the bigger bore guns. I've carried a .44 Special more than anything else. But I can't deny that a premium load with a Gold Dot bullet or the LEO marked Ranger SXT bullets, are going to be just as good in 9mm as a .44 Special. Since I think the P7 is the ultimate CCW gun, I decided to "downgrade" to a 9mm. I've since used that gun and the Ranger load to finish off a deer and a very large doe goat. The performance convinced me that I didn't need to worry about my bullet performance. I just needed to worry about getting two or three of them in the bad guy's chest! Gregg |
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Bullets regardless of caliber need to penetrate deep enough to hit something vital that will "turn off the switch"...brain, spine, CNS, etc. The FBI uses 12 inches of penetration as a minimum standard.
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When I get my first Glock 19 here in a few days I will report back for ya and let you know how much I love my gun.
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I love my G19, but I have been having a problem. One of my magazines has been misfeeding hollow points on the last (10th) round. It will feed ball OK, but the HP doesn't go. I think my other mag loads HPs fine all the way. Do I just have a mag problem, or is there something else wrong?
My next handgun will probably be a G26, or a CZ-75B, or BOTH |
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The latest 9mm mag follower upgrade is number "6" the last time I checked. This "last round jam" could well be a result of the "2183" follower found on older post-ban 10 round magazines. If so, try replacing the follower with the newer number "6" follower. They are available from Lone Wolf Distributing, I believe. If not try Glockparts.com. Also, it may be a weak or worn out mag spring. I prefer Wolff Gunsprings +10% stiffer mag springs, a little better quality spring than the Glock factory original, IMO. I would also recommend buying a few more new mags. You should have at least 5 or 6 for each pistol you own, IMO. CDNN Sports has good prices ~$16.99...buy a handfull. Please let me know what fixes this problem. Thanks, SC |
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It's a good excuse to pick up some more mags anyway. Unfortunately in CA I am limited to 10 rounders which is actually why I've been dragging my feet to pick up more... I might just wait until I'm out of here so I can buy 15 rounders.
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You can probably help here by describing what sort of mis-feed you get. A strong (new) mag spring can actually be detrimental in this situation as it doesn't let the pistol strip the round easily and provides some downward force straight onto the feed ramp area. So you can't always blame the mag (but they are always a good place to check). If you have any doubts about the mag, toss it, and buy another, they are not expensive items. It should be noted that GLOCK do not recommend such ammo, and insist you use factory ammo, but they are just covering their asses legally. Factory jacketted or semi-jacketted ammo should not jam on the ramp as easily as lead. I have a G34 9mm. Love it, except for the cheap standard polymer sights which I must get rid of sometime. |
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Glock engineers changed the angle of the barrel lug on the E-series and later 3rd generation G19's several years ago. This caused rounds (HPs especially) to hang up on the bottom of the feed ramp because the barrel now did not drop down as far due to the new lug angle. Thus began the company's mag follower odessy in an attempt to fix this problem.
Several modifications later, we have the number "6" follower which seems to be the final solution. This new follower allows the bullet nose to sit slightly higher in the magazine so it hits closer to the center of the feed ramp. Weak mag springs will indeed aggravate the above problem. The spring needs to be stiff (new) enough to keep the follower tip from nosing downward and causing a jam, especially with the last round. Again, check the number designation on the follower itself. The 2183-1 followers in the standard 10-round mags have often been the culprit with this common "10th round jam" and can easily be remedied with the newer 9mm4, #5, or #6 follower. Magazines are expendable--they do wear out. They need to be replenished or at least refurbished with fresh springs over time with heavy useage. |
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thx silver city.. 'preciate it
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I have a G21.... I've had it for aleast 12 Years maybe a few more... I've put atleast 2K rounds though it with no jams or any other probs... I can shoot pretty good with it, but there is always rom for improvment....
My wife really like to shoot pistol, so I'm considering buying her a either a G17 or a G34... Myself I want another G21... I like atleast two of every thing... Being a Network guy, they really beat Redundancy/Backup into us... |
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I have a glock 19. I might rent a .45 just to try it out and see. Maybe I will buy a 34 as well.
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Hubby agrees with you, next one for me is a 9mm; he does want me to get comfortable with the .40 though, then if I like the 9mm better, that's fine, but he wants me to know how to use it and get proficient. He's still not confident the 9mm will have the same stopping power, even with the premium rounds. He said the 9mm is a higher velocity, it will tend to go through but maybe not put them on the ground, he wants the .40 for knock down power. He doesn't want them getting back up :) If he's erring, he wants to err on the cautious side. But we both agree and understand accuracy is just as important. |
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It's odd that the 165 gr 40 S&W has more energy, is faster and has better penetration than the ole 45 in this FBI example. I think I'm going to get a 40. But then again, with preimum bullets, what difference does it make :) |
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What I am more curious about is why they used a 12" baseline. Seems to me that 6 to 8 inches of penetration would be more than sufficient. Heck 8" would go right through me...
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